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Minimize Damaging Behavior First
Robert E. Wakeman West Paterson, N.J.
To the Editor: According to the letters on global warming in the May issue of Mechanical Engineering magazine, it is apparent that there is legitimate controversy. However, although I don't consider myself an expert on the subject, practically everything I have seen, quoting sources that seem to be informed and responsible, says there is substantial evidence that the earth is indeed getting warmer, that human activity is contributing strongly, and the results are likely to be very unpleasant if it continues. Therefore, it behooves us to try to do something about it.

It seems obvious to me that, when there is reason to believe that certain human activities may be environmentally harmful, the prudent, responsible attitude is not to assume there is no cause for concern until there is positive proof that serious damage is being done—for by then it may be too late—but to minimize the potentially damaging behavior until there is reasonable assurance that it is harmless.


Worth of a P.E. License
Konrad Powers Lombard, Ill.
To the Editor: The article on P.E. licensure by Emily Smith ("To License or Not to License") in the May issue brought out some very good points. As an engineer who has been working for manufacturing companies in product design, I have never worked with anyone who has held a P.E. license. This may explain why the manufacturing sector is peppered with people who hold a title of "engineer," but in reality are machinists or technicians with no formal engineering education. It seems as if the only compelling reason for licensure is if you are involved with the commercial construction industry.

Despite the lack of need for licensure in my industry, I looked into getting my P.E. license last year after graduating with my B.S.M.E. and passing the F.E. exam in 1993.

My understanding was that a written test of my knowledge of engineering practices and problem solving was all that was necessary, and this was certainly something I was willing to do. The reality is that, in addition to the test, I would have needed all my previous employers to send letters of recommendation to the Illinois Department of Professional Regulation. So, therefore, if I want a license that is not treated with respect in my industry, probably would not be useful to an employer, and may not give me an advantage in getting a job, I would have to jump through a lot of bureaucratic hoops and be part of some "good ol' boy" network.

My job requires me to justify my decisions with payoffs in the future. It seems that getting a P.E. license in its present form would not have much of a payoff compared to the effort of tracking down the whereabouts of my former managers.


David A. Klemenz Clarence, N.Y. To the Editor: I have read Mechanical Engineering magazine for the past nine years and take interest in the debate over licensure. I have a B.S.M.E. and eight years of experience in an engineering capacity. I am proud of my degree, experience, and accomplishments. I can support my decisions with science and logic.

Nicholas Schroeder's letter in the May issue suggests that engineering can be summed up in a finite number of responsibilities or tasks, as though it all falls on one person.

As an engineer, I have a responsibility to complete projects within a specified time and budget. I rely heavily upon non-degreed professionals who have a wealth of experience and on degreed professionals with no P.E. license. I am, however, responsible for interpreting their work for sound engineering principles and value.

Engineering is a lifelong pursuit of intellectual growth and responsible use of technical talent for the betterment of society. There is no such thing as "paying dues" in our profession, since no one can adequately judge when the invoice is paid.

A P.E. license is no more a guarantee of a competent engineer than a driver's license is of a competent driver.


T.W. Edwards Life Member Sun City, Calif. To the Editor: Emily Smith ("To License or Not to License," May) provides an excellent review of some of the reasons for the decline of professional engineering licensing. But I think there is another important one that is missed—dilution of the P.E. designation.

By this I mean, the now politically correct dilution of the meaning of the words "professional" and "engineer." For example, we now have professional hair stylists whom we used to call barbers and waste-management engineers whom we used to call garbage men.

So much for the exclusivity of the designation "professional engineer."


Marvin A. Moss North Hills, Calif. To the Editor: When I was an undergraduate, the P.E. license was just being instituted in California, and the dean of our engineering school was urging all of us to undergo the qualification procedure. I took the Engineer-in-Training test a year after graduating, and barely passed. (Had I waited another year, I'm sure I would have failed). I never got around to taking the P.E. exam, as it seemed to possess almost no value in the defense/aerospace/electronics industry in which I spent almost all of my career.

Engineers in this composite industry were generally exempt from professional licensing requirements, in part because the military, which was the principal customer, tended to regard licensing as an impediment that would restrict the availability of acceptable engineers, and drive up their salaries, thereby impacting program schedules and budgets. But a more significant factor was a general awareness that the skills and fields of expertise evaluated in the P.E. exams did not include many of those of most immediate interest and desirability. For example, the fields of reliability and maintainability engineering, which form an essential part of the innovative products development process, are not reflected in the exams. I spent most of my career as a practitioner in those fields.

However, the most damaging charge against P.E. exams must be their overly narrow scope, being confined to assessing expertise in solving technical problems, based on the application of mathematics and the physical sciences. The limitation, of course, reflects the role historically played by engineers, as well as the curriculum they pursued as undergraduates.

This background comprises excellent preparation for entry-level engineering jobs, qualifying the candidates as technologists, but falling far short of their subsequent needs as professionals. By the time an engineer is ready to apply for the P.E. license, the person will probably find that the need for technical expertise is being diluted by continually growing demands for developing administrative and managerial competence. When this happened to me, I abandoned any thought of pursuing the P.E. license, opting instead for a graduate program in business administration, and discovered many of my fellow students to be engineers.

Should the scope of the P.E. exam be broadened to reflect all the demands laid upon the mature engineering practitioner? Could such a change in scope even be accomplished? And, finally, would such a change make the P.E. license relevant? If these questions cannot be answered positively, all interest in pursuing the license will disappear.


Paul D. Belz, P.E. Life Fellow Catonsville, Md. To the Editor: Concerning "To License or not to License" in the May issue, I suggest that Jeremy Adams, who was disheartened by the voluminous material from NCEES, contact the engineering licensing board in Texas for information concerning the procedure and requirements to sit for the P&P examination in Texas. My recollection of more than a decade ago is that the Texas board is very helpful.

I also suggest that he investigate review courses that are available by correspondence or that may be offered or sponsored by his ASME section, colleges, and even commercial operators.


Jay Yarm Yorktown Hts., N.Y. To the Editor: I obtained a P.E. license in Connecticut about 30 years ago, as soon as I was eligible. That year, the state raised the annual registration fee from $15 to $200 (the charge for an M.D. license was $100). It later dropped back to $35 and then slowly increased again. Over the years, I earned $50 once for checking and sealing an HVAC design. I have worked for five companies, mostly as an R&D or design engineer. Never was my P.E. of the slightest professional use, and none of the companies considered it a reimbursable expense, so eventually I dropped it.

The current rate in New York is $345, and I can see no reason why a typical engineer employed in industry would benefit from a P.E., except insofar as it might impress a recruiter.


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